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CAD for Salesmen?
Fri, 05 Sep 2008 21:07:20 GMT
Author:Richard Morrison
Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 10:07 pm (GMT+1)
Sorry, I missed the website. After looking at the images, my previous software recommendations definitely apply. Chief Architect will blow away SketchUp for speed.
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CAD for Salesmen?
Fri, 05 Sep 2008 21:01:14 GMT
Author:Dwight
Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 10:01 pm (GMT+1)
This is a complicated issue since our advice depends on your expectations at each step of the building process.
With a few days work in SketchUp, your team could have a pretty good library of elements for prefab buildings - whether or not you agree that your buildings are modular or not. Simple for the sales force.
Your web site shows industrial buildings - i would think that you'd want fairly simple parts with fairly developed costing data for the sales force to quickly ballpark job costs.
Start with the free SketchUp and see how the lads take to it.
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CAD for Salesmen?
Fri, 05 Sep 2008 20:52:15 GMT
Author:Rich Streufert
Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 9:52 pm (GMT+1)
"when Four Seasons Greenhouses got a special Archicad version with a
special greenhouse module library"
What does it take to get a "special" ArchiCAD version? Do we pay full price for each additional "special" license?
We are looking at SketchUp because it is more economical - it would be great to have a special version but we don't have standard modules for each building we sell.
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CAD for Salesmen?
Fri, 05 Sep 2008 20:48:55 GMT
Author:Richard Morrison
Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 9:48 pm (GMT+1)
"Selling buildings" is not very descriptive. What kind of buildings are you selling? Office buildings? Residential?
I would think that something like Chief Architect or Cadsoft Envisioneer would be fairly easy to learn and could quickly generate concepts, which could then be imported into Archicad with DWG files. (Would have to be traced.) But I also think that there is likely not a lot of design information that a salesman could provide that would be worth exactly replicating, so I don't know how important the file transfer is likely to be.
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CAD for Salesmen?
Fri, 05 Sep 2008 20:14:12 GMT
Author:Dwight
Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 9:14 pm (GMT+1)
Depends - most rectilinear structures - especially apartments - are going to be modular in some way. If you just walk a zigzag wall around the perimeter in a clockwise fashion [y 10, x3-3, y6, x-2, etc] It is faster and more accurate than scanning and tracing. It takes a little planning.
As for sketchup to Archicad - depending on the investment in the model - you'll probably be reworking the whole thing in Archicad, ESPECIALLY if some idiot salesman has had his way with it, promising them thirty foot spans and four car garages.
However, when Four Seasons Greenhouses got a special Archicad version with a special greenhouse module library it was a success because they limited the options to real ones.
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LightWorks Bug?
Fri, 05 Sep 2008 19:21:28 GMT
Author:R Muller
Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:21 pm (GMT+1)
Won't switching to the SUN SUN from realistic sun alter the lighting quality enough so that I won't get a good indication of the effect of changing other lamp settings?
A possible workaround to not being able to use the "undersun" is to set up special soffit materials with emission qualities. This can work on my exteriors, but I don't think it will work on the interior vaulted ceilings, where I need to add general lights or some such thing.
Here is another issue: I am trying to show the transparency of a curtain wall in a historic building, but the window lights I placed behind the curtain wall don't shine through it, so there is no continuity of light on the ceiling through the glass.
I nominate the enclosed image for the "worst rendering ever done" award. I had not figured out I had to turn off the "undersun", so it is on, and the ceiling is black. I was also having problems with running out of memory, so I set the window lights to low quality.
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CAD for Salesmen?
Fri, 05 Sep 2008 19:16:59 GMT
Author:Dave Thomas
Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:17 pm (GMT+1)
Dwight wrote:
But you can only get the job once.
Even the idea that these SketchUps will be exported to Archicad is suspect, since we all know a clean Archicad model built from scratch is the fastest way to translate preliminary design.
True.
True.
I've never used Sketchup, but isn't (or shouldn't) there is some way (maybe separate pln and module???) that the sketch model can be used as an electronic "go by" or on screen reference for that "clean AC model"?
Though, I think I remember you saying once before that you find it just as quick to have somebody read you the dimensions from a paper copy.
Dave
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LightWorks Bug?
Fri, 05 Sep 2008 18:44:28 GMT
Author:Dwight
Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 7:44 pm (GMT+1)
You'll get even faster preliminary renderings using the SUN SUN instead of the realistic sun.
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LightWorks Bug?
Fri, 05 Sep 2008 18:39:52 GMT
Author:R Muller
Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 7:39 pm (GMT+1)
I turned off "sun" and "ambient" in the photorendering settings, leaving on only "lamps". All the lamps are off, except for the undersun.
All that graininess is because I am doing fast renderings to check the lighting with antialiasing = OFF, so my textures come out grainy.
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LightWorks Bug?
Fri, 05 Sep 2008 17:53:15 GMT
Author:Dwight
Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 6:53 pm (GMT+1)
do one with the undersun ONLY.
BTW: all that graininess is because your realistic sun is under-resolved.
_________________Dwight Atkinson
PREORDER "The Artlantis Attitude" US$65.00
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